tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post4508937945500315529..comments2024-03-01T06:49:59.106-05:00Comments on Behind the Bit: Travers and Renvers; Sorry, which one is which?Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-35582125723504654152009-12-17T23:08:13.979-05:002009-12-17T23:08:13.979-05:00Thank you JME! I have been looking for a quick sho...Thank you JME! I have been looking for a quick shorthand to remember the two terms... sadly, French is not among my languages >;^pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-27567283294543265362009-01-17T14:54:00.000-05:002009-01-17T14:54:00.000-05:00very cool horse, but i'm agreeing with annl and di...very cool horse, but i'm agreeing with annl and dij - he is at best performing a half-pass along the wall in two directions. <BR/><BR/>i know dressage people love to do these, but i'm going to go against the dressage orthodoxy and say i don't think either of these movements are especially important in preparing a 'finished' horse, as one can usually accomplish the same long-term effect with, as jmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04295140724737185132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-82729505858966544362009-01-17T01:48:00.000-05:002009-01-17T01:48:00.000-05:00I agree with AnnL. The horse is cool, but the move...I agree with AnnL. The horse is cool, but the movement is incorrect. Probably why, when you watch him and his horse in other videos, the canter has no moment of suspension, among other issues. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-22724938819321324722009-01-16T14:20:00.000-05:002009-01-16T14:20:00.000-05:00AnneL; "OK, the horse is cool, but post him under ...AnneL; "OK, the horse is cool, but post him under cool horses doing unknown movements. ;-)"<BR/><BR/>Stacey: (smiles and nods in acknowledgement)Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-90326504115398809992009-01-16T14:10:00.000-05:002009-01-16T14:10:00.000-05:00I'm referring to all of it. The title of the vide...I'm referring to all of it. The title of the videos say "Travers (haunches inside track,shoulder outside track). Travers does indeed have the haunches come inside the track, but the shoulders stay square on the track--they don't go outside the track. Same for the title of the renvers video, the haunches move to the outside of the track but the shoulders stay on the track, they don't move to theAnnLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18302520885355984852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-57561878244711398312009-01-16T13:40:00.000-05:002009-01-16T13:40:00.000-05:00"If you're going to post demos, please use correct..."If you're going to post demos, please use correct ones! :-)"<BR/><BR/>But the horse in these videos is waaaay cool! Dot was my reasoning. Heh heh.Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-32829893332616363132009-01-16T13:24:00.000-05:002009-01-16T13:24:00.000-05:00I don't think my post actually *defined* the exerc...I don't think my post actually *defined* the exercise in that level of detail, unless you mean the shorthand header above each video, which I admit was casually written, but it did paraphrase the book listed at the end. <BR/><BR/>I think you are saying that the inside and outside track are defined by the position of the horse, not where they are in relation to the arena.<BR/><BR/>You may also be Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-28631569419919800722009-01-16T13:17:00.000-05:002009-01-16T13:17:00.000-05:00Ok, sorry, I'm back on my soap box. In the renver...Ok, sorry, I'm back on my soap box. In the renvers demo, first the ride positions the horse in a shoulder-in THEN he changes the bend, as though that's going to make it a renvers. No! <BR/><BR/>First, you make sure the horse is traveling straight down the long side, then, bend to the outside and ask for the hindquarters to move to the outside. The shoulders should stay ON the track. <BR/><BRAnnLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18302520885355984852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-48464016155826781632009-01-16T13:07:00.000-05:002009-01-16T13:07:00.000-05:00I'm sorry, I hate to be snarky, but i have to spea...I'm sorry, I hate to be snarky, but i have to speak up. I'm kind of a stickler for correctness in the exercises. :-) If you don't have the correct definition of an exercise, then you can't do it correctly and if you can't do it correctly then you won't be getting the desired benefit. In this case, collection. <BR/><BR/>In travers and renvers the haunches move OFF the track (either in or out)AnnLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18302520885355984852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-89558701497231617902009-01-16T09:22:00.000-05:002009-01-16T09:22:00.000-05:00It never ceases to amaze what horses will do for u...It never ceases to amaze what horses will do for us. The horse looks like a Khnabstrupper.Kitty Bohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11993868991117800584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-33698828551555227422009-01-15T21:27:00.000-05:002009-01-15T21:27:00.000-05:00Great post on a mystifying topic. And what a cute...Great post on a mystifying topic. And what a cute horse, oh my word!Flying Lilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04652273828990723024noreply@blogger.com