tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post120272713516327122..comments2024-03-01T06:49:59.106-05:00Comments on Behind the Bit: Riley at the clinic: The Training Level frameStacey Kimmel-Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-59679284317122204942011-04-05T09:54:24.455-04:002011-04-05T09:54:24.455-04:00Just came back to read the rest of the comments, s...Just came back to read the rest of the comments, since I find this dialogue so interesting. I bet Riley would get a good ribbon in a hunter hack, even though he also has lovely movement for dressage (hope you're not offended!). There are some old school judges that still like the daisy cutters exclusively, but the more modern trend at the A shows is to appreciate a horse with truly athleticAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13790278181159401158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-11234346832227173052011-03-25T07:27:20.087-04:002011-03-25T07:27:20.087-04:00Oops, sorry anon, but anon comments of late have b...Oops, sorry anon, but anon comments of late have been pretty cheeky, and I'm a bit sensitized.<br /><br />Linda Zang's a big name and she knows her stuff. I was waffling about calling her "Linda" (too familiar) and Ms. Zang seemed a little weird. Zang seems a little flippant. <br /><br />Oh well. Carry on!Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-11159105847117395712011-03-25T07:11:26.953-04:002011-03-25T07:11:26.953-04:00Anon, anon, yes, we KNOW her creds, that's har...Anon, anon, yes, we KNOW her creds, that's hardly the point. Do you always follow the dictates of others unquestioningly? Even "O" judges like a thinking student that asks questions. No one questioned whether it's an 8 or not. We're talking about the hunter frame.<br /><br />If you want to be snide under your real name, you might get some respect here, but you're Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-91036540669892471552011-03-25T07:03:28.403-04:002011-03-25T07:03:28.403-04:00Just fyi Linda Zang is an "O" judge. Th...Just fyi Linda Zang is an "O" judge. The highest rank in dressage and one of two in our country. I guess what I am saying is that when she says its an 8 training frame its an 8.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-25796493420520863802011-03-23T21:50:17.940-04:002011-03-23T21:50:17.940-04:00Not huntery at all. Lovely, proper training level...Not huntery at all. Lovely, proper training level dressage frame. On the vertical or slightly ahead. Nice and open. Wonderful and a nice change from a lot of what we see out there these days. Transitions, transitions and more transitions in this frame will help him gain the balance and strength to not have to raise his head up when he transitions. beautiful :-)Alissianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-18324095486994520302011-03-23T21:05:37.803-04:002011-03-23T21:05:37.803-04:00You should be very pleased -- I think he looks gre...You should be very pleased -- I think he looks great. I like the openness of his frame and the length of his neck. I think too many people start to shorten the neck and lose the "throughness".Liz Goldsmith, EquineInkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16335463138124638275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-90312855701444538632011-03-23T13:29:07.742-04:002011-03-23T13:29:07.742-04:00Had a few minutes to myself and went back and watc...Had a few minutes to myself and went back and watched the entire video, wow! He looked fantastic. Not a hunter frame at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-74711758820861976112011-03-23T09:06:32.331-04:002011-03-23T09:06:32.331-04:00I don't see dressage vs. hunters as a matter o...I don't see dressage vs. hunters as a matter of joint articulation/knee action or what have you. Some dressage horses are born with more "daisy cutting" movement and less knee action, but the given paces aren't what makes a horse a dressage goer or not.<br /><br /> It's more about how elevated the front end is, and how the horse is lifting the front legs with the shoulders.McFawnhttp://thistimedressage.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-91460068267092611662011-03-23T02:40:49.666-04:002011-03-23T02:40:49.666-04:00Lovely! He's seeking the balance, a great plac...Lovely! He's seeking the balance, a great place to build from. I attended a LZ seminar in the UK, liked her a lot.trudihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741901033691017922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-64669618791284345192011-03-22T23:11:08.592-04:002011-03-22T23:11:08.592-04:00He looks very good, stretching nicely. Hunters are...He looks very good, stretching nicely. Hunters are a tad more flat and level so that they are looking down the ring towards that next jump, at least that's why the "hunters" are suppose to carry themselves that way even if there aren't any jumps in the ring:)<br /> I'm guessing they don't want the clinic filmed so people don't get a lesson for free? I find this kind Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-51551640084911417012011-03-22T21:47:03.135-04:002011-03-22T21:47:03.135-04:00That's true, i don't think hunters are gen...That's true, i don't think hunters are generally ridden on contact much. Thanks!Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-8043859022872108142011-03-22T21:39:13.110-04:002011-03-22T21:39:13.110-04:00Riley looks great here! I do think he has a very n...Riley looks great here! I do think he has a very nice huntery canter. Considering the general idea of hunters is "long and low," I think is frame is more dressagey here, as his forehead is at an almost 90 degree angle with the ground at the trot. The hunters under saddle usually have their noses stuck out a bit more. I really like this ride though. He looks well packaged, yet his Nicolenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-61054676357107067992011-03-22T21:36:24.837-04:002011-03-22T21:36:24.837-04:00Hmm, the reason I wasn't more specific is that...Hmm, the reason I wasn't more specific is that I wasn't sure myself why it looks that way to me. I think possibly he has more elevation at the trot than I'm used to seeing in the hunter ring, and his neck is held higher. Hunters have more of a "daisy cutting" sweep with their feet. As far as his neck carriage, he's beginning to lighten up and round his neck and move in aAllienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-72529217860626414822011-03-22T20:06:04.800-04:002011-03-22T20:06:04.800-04:00Thanks Allie -- a compliment from my perspective, ...Thanks Allie -- a compliment from my perspective, not that I don't like hunter movement but Ri isn't really a hunter prospect. Can you tell me, though, why his trot is dressagey? To me a hunter is defined by sweepy straight movement, not a lot of joint articulation. <br /><br />This is strictly for my own understanding, I'm not questioning your comment.Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-43479287858559850712011-03-22T20:03:00.172-04:002011-03-22T20:03:00.172-04:00Well, speaking from a hunter perspective, that'...Well, speaking from a hunter perspective, that's a lovely hunter canter, but the trot looks a bit "dressagey" for a hunter. From a training level perspective absolutely he looks great, nice and relaxed and responsive.Allienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-48068555132281131772011-03-22T19:26:07.803-04:002011-03-22T19:26:07.803-04:00This could be an interesting contest -- what do yo...This could be an interesting contest -- what do you think the clinician is saying? I can't participate because I know :-)Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-47550582768762392582011-03-22T19:17:32.538-04:002011-03-22T19:17:32.538-04:00I don't know enough about hunters to compare, ...I don't know enough about hunters to compare, but I like his frame for a dressage horse very much. He is open in the throatlatch and reaching towards the contact with an even, regular arch to his neck. His back is long and soft and he is gently springing off the ground. He looks to be giving Olivia an easy ride, and isn't this the ultimate goal?<br /><br />I wish I could know what the Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335385366138424092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-60242886474569405182011-03-22T18:58:04.804-04:002011-03-22T18:58:04.804-04:00This post is from Jean -- I tried to moderate it o...This post is from Jean -- I tried to moderate it on my droid but my fat fingers slipped and hit delete. Hope you don't mind Jean...<br /><br />Lovely training level frame...absolutely. Far too many horses at that level are too elevated and "bundled" up instead of swinging into the bit the way Riley is. A masterful bit of riding by Olivia there too. She has done a super job with him.Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-39723531553725494982011-03-22T16:46:25.222-04:002011-03-22T16:46:25.222-04:00When I first saw the video I was struck -- in a go...When I first saw the video I was struck -- in a good way! -- by how much more "open" his frame looks here. I do think, from what I have overheard and been told by judges, that it is a more appropriate frame for training level. He looks very relaxed and happy and is swinging forward freely. <br /><br /><br />The videoing thing drives me crazy. It's not like people are going to get Now Thats A Trot!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04520915591652905807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-49102398681061925372011-03-22T15:24:18.936-04:002011-03-22T15:24:18.936-04:00Exactly right, I am totally salivating! Riley loo...Exactly right, I am totally salivating! Riley looks fabulous and could easily win a hunter undersaddle in that frame. He has a lovely trot and an even better canter. I know we've had a little dialogue before about Riley not being a jumping horse due to his hoof history, but he would certainly be a gorgeous hunter. He is an equally lovely dressage horse though, so no harm there.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13790278181159401158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-4994019759936090212011-03-22T15:09:22.918-04:002011-03-22T15:09:22.918-04:00He doesn't look at all huntery to me there. H...He doesn't look at all huntery to me there. He looks like he could be trained to do hunters, yes, and that athleticism and flexibility to cross disciplines is nice! But here he looks like he's nicely reaching for the contact, and using it to communicate with your trainer to reabsorb his energy to his back end. If you compare some of his earlier rides in which his head is in nearly the Nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08817230186352688525noreply@blogger.com