tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post61388088628557653..comments2024-03-01T06:49:59.106-05:00Comments on Behind the Bit: Lungeing for losersStacey Kimmel-Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-44012230306431829392011-03-22T12:25:33.233-04:002011-03-22T12:25:33.233-04:00http://hunterintraining.blogspot.com/2011/01/hellu...http://hunterintraining.blogspot.com/2011/01/helluva-way-to-start-2011.html<br /><br />Time to teach respect, and based on how ugly he's being, it's time for you to step up the demand for respect. Each time you back away from him, or let him stand to fiddle and orgvanize the line and whip, he gets a release for his misbehavior. <br /><br />NH or not, NOBODY should tolerate that much Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14881593490904020561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-61131239100641909582011-03-22T12:22:45.145-04:002011-03-22T12:22:45.145-04:00http://hunterintraining.blogspot.com/2011/01/hellu...http://hunterintraining.blogspot.com/2011/01/helluva-way-to-start-2011.html<br /><br />I strongly recommend you get him under control and respectful of your space. Use as little force as possible, as much as necessary. <br /><br />On many occasions in that video, you backed away from him. A HUGE No No No... make him move. Do whatever is necessary - a knotted nose halter, shorter line, and showJenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01957700798810943437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-22056074168707585122011-03-21T12:16:45.108-04:002011-03-21T12:16:45.108-04:00This is where a round pen really proves useful. Y...This is where a round pen really proves useful. You have the space to get out of the way, but you don't have to fuss with the rope if you need to force the horse into hard rollbacks if they object. Additionally, it fixes the attitudeness.<br /><br />Once a horse is broke, you don't have to do it often, maybe once or twice a year. But a little refresher does wonders for respecting your joycemochahttp://joycemocha.livejournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-28868889448261434632011-03-20T20:23:28.817-04:002011-03-20T20:23:28.817-04:00My horse also doesnt longe as well without tack on...My horse also doesnt longe as well without tack on and gets "more playful" and less respectful and I have to remind him who is boss....he knows very well how to longe and I was able to successfully longe him when I had laryngitis for petes sake and couldnt talk other than cluck or kiss for canter.....I was impressed with how much he still picked up on<br /><br />I was taught that the oilcanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10570053334551279018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-78283613840091147402011-03-19T16:55:25.056-04:002011-03-19T16:55:25.056-04:00Hi,
YES, I've heard moving around is bad. Pro...Hi,<br /><br />YES, I've heard moving around is bad. Problem is I don't like putting riley on tight circles so I walk to make the circle larger. Okay, I also walk because I want the whip to stay in range while making the circle larger. I can see how it would confusing to the horse.Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-44698042597268246882011-03-19T13:13:29.655-04:002011-03-19T13:13:29.655-04:00I heard somewhere that you shouldn't be walkin...I heard somewhere that you shouldn't be walking around when lunging as so many people do... Makes sense to me. I imagine body language would be much more clear when you're standing (relatively) still. Following the horse around while lunging could also be toeing the line of nagging. Plus, it would probably be frustrating for the horse to have to keep adjusting to maintain a good distance Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08120783920269680590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-9569170906576660402011-03-19T11:30:58.364-04:002011-03-19T11:30:58.364-04:00Just sharing my experience, so we all have more in...Just sharing my experience, so we all have more information, options, things to consider. My ottb never presented as lame or as having issues with holding one back leg up, however he very insistently - spinning, bucking, backing, bolting, kicking out- refused to ever track right on the longe. Finally called in a vet/ chiro and low and behold found out my horse has an si joint issue - when the vetSusannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-59045588674527488772011-03-19T01:46:35.944-04:002011-03-19T01:46:35.944-04:00Don't have much to add than what's been sa...Don't have much to add than what's been said above— I would have to agree that (A) a helmet isn't a bad idea for a horse being that pushy; (B) hope you have yourself a good roundpen where you can work on getting his feet moving at your decree; and (C) you are doing right in administering the "thwacks" fairly and at the EXACT right now! <br /><br />Just stumbled across your Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13878430063072678647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-10522363322921379992011-03-18T20:06:59.646-04:002011-03-18T20:06:59.646-04:00Naughty! He needs a few thwocks for that disrespec...Naughty! He needs a few thwocks for that disrespect. Maybe he is also bored with lungeing. How much of his exercise is regular hacking and a nice long trot outside the ring? Maybe people talk about the training so much they forget to mention how often they just have recreational riding exercise.panavia999https://www.blogger.com/profile/12022750065016664499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-49306979201904797662011-03-18T19:42:41.067-04:002011-03-18T19:42:41.067-04:00Haven't read all the comments but my first tho...Haven't read all the comments but my first thought if he is reluctant to go a certain direction would be pain, or the memory of a pain. <br /><br /> I teach all my horses to lunge in a roundpen first, with no lunge line, so that they are trained to the voice cues. Do you have access to one? To reverse them you use your body language, stepping in front of the shoulder even from the middle of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-34960433154054134852011-03-18T12:25:03.443-04:002011-03-18T12:25:03.443-04:00I had this happen to me recently with my mare, alt...I had this happen to me recently with my mare, although it was while free-lunging. Usually I turn her loose in the arena (when no one's in it, of course) and let her blow off some steam if it's been a few days since I've ridden. Then I'll often come in and lunge. Most days I use a lunge line, but occasionally I like to free lunge. On this particular day, I came in and clucked to jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04693551223749982508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-71398630119604460502011-03-18T07:42:12.473-04:002011-03-18T07:42:12.473-04:00I also lunged Harv during the rainy time, and he r...I also lunged Harv during the rainy time, and he reminds me of why I never learned to lunge in a more educated way. He's so easy! And he is so focused on me and cooperative. I guess it's one more analogy to having kids, they're all so different and some are just more challenging than others.<br /><br />The Linden Flower COULD be doing it's magic, as Riley has not been turned out Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-31034741088945357462011-03-18T03:59:46.595-04:002011-03-18T03:59:46.595-04:00Lots of helpful comments. I would add that wearin...Lots of helpful comments. I would add that wearing your helmet is not only for safety, it will make you FEEL safer and therefore be more confident. Honestly - try it!<br /><br />Re the Parelli comment - there's so much more to natural horsemanship than them. Take a look at Monty Roberts/Kelly Marks' advice on how to keep a horse out of your personal space cos this is what Riley's OTTBUKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-20475178252959472122011-03-18T03:08:19.347-04:002011-03-18T03:08:19.347-04:00Had a longer comment and Blogger lost it for me.
...Had a longer comment and Blogger lost it for me. <br /><br />Just a support on the idea of wearing a helmet when you lunge. If Riley is going to be naughty, the precaution is a good one.Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10029423500476995817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-45719255538512720062011-03-17T22:53:25.541-04:002011-03-17T22:53:25.541-04:00I can't help but wonder if it wasn't a pa...I can't help but wonder if it wasn't a pain issue also, but that being said, how about if your trainer stands in the middle with you and helps keep him from coming in?Kitty Bohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030621211779302151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-76973016608674981662011-03-17T22:47:28.726-04:002011-03-17T22:47:28.726-04:00I'm not a trainer, just a fellow adult am., bu...I'm not a trainer, just a fellow adult am., but here are a few tips that might help you feel more organized: <br /><br />- When you put your lunge line away, start with the a few feet of the tail end and then go over and back (like a big accordian pleat)until you run out of length, wrap with your snap end to secure. That way you can hold your extra line in your other hand with out any danger Virginiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09455673205388768972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-46414619071228813652011-03-17T22:47:03.147-04:002011-03-17T22:47:03.147-04:00naughty boy!!
I second (or maybe third) the sugg...naughty boy!! <br /><br />I second (or maybe third) the suggestion to lunge him in tack with side reins (assuming this is not new to him). This will help him to focus his vision and energy straight out in front of him rather than being able to turn his head into you. <br /><br />In the video, it seems like the head turning towards you is the point where he takes over. When you get a smidge in Harlequinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-59593891925408028552011-03-17T22:40:55.064-04:002011-03-17T22:40:55.064-04:00Some great comments on here, I agree with pretty m...Some great comments on here, I agree with pretty much all of them.<br /><br />Do you have access to a roundpen? That way you can lunge him and work on your body language/positioning without worrying about that lead line. That way you can react and turn him back faster if/when he turns on you because you don't have to worry about tripping on the line or getting it out of the way.Bannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10411396685109840881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-54685466013250691002011-03-17T22:17:56.104-04:002011-03-17T22:17:56.104-04:00It's total terrible twos. My horse is like th...It's total terrible twos. My horse is like that, too. She's fine for a short while, but when she's ready to be done begin the evasion tactics. It's a total dominance test.<br /><br />I agree with the other posters. They do sense your fear and your lack of confidence. But it's good you're correcting it now, because it just gets worse once they've figured out, "AppyDancenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-5922039775668713172011-03-17T20:45:43.582-04:002011-03-17T20:45:43.582-04:00Dom and others, Thanks for the feedback. Ri has hi...Dom and others, Thanks for the feedback. Ri has his share of transient inexplicable behaviors (grinding lasted about a month) that resolve. Dom, you are so right. And those of you who mention lunger body language, I totally get it in theory. I don't give Riley the consistent cues or the authoritative presence right now. Need to read up on what my body position communicates and how to modify Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-74446203221505353962011-03-17T20:37:07.503-04:002011-03-17T20:37:07.503-04:00I don't think this has much to do with his age...I don't think this has much to do with his age. My 16 year old TB who is typically well-behaved on the lunge line has been naughty this week too. I too am trying to incorporate body language into my lunging and when he starts to hesitate like he's going to turn I quickly move further to his rear and lift the lunge whip higher to drive him forward. This mostly works except when he throwsMarnie Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241962543917686722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-66644761506223816462011-03-17T20:28:18.193-04:002011-03-17T20:28:18.193-04:00They do sometimes just test the boundaries. Nina ...They do sometimes just test the boundaries. Nina is a lunging machine but one day she just took off, heading for the horizon. We were indoors and I managed to run her into a wall. Half an hour later we called it a bloody draw. The next time I lunged her she was perfect. I have no idea what caused that. Not fun at all.Barbarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01571711150060964222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-59487982317129476812011-03-17T19:56:15.578-04:002011-03-17T19:56:15.578-04:00What does he do if you lunge him in full tack? I d...What does he do if you lunge him in full tack? I discovered that my horse is a perfect gentleman in full tack and/or surcingle, but when lunged w/o it, he comes in to the circle. He will do anything I ask him to once he is "with" me inside the circle, but doesn't want to go back out.<br /><br />I know his previous trainer did some Parelli with him, and he was trained very billiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18187141867284800597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-82155648598010640002011-03-17T18:40:06.438-04:002011-03-17T18:40:06.438-04:00I work a lot of youngsters and stallions. My first...I work a lot of youngsters and stallions. My first guess is always a physical problem, but he does seem fine in the video. That leaves obnoxious teenager saying "I'm not a baby anymore." He needs a serious lesson in respecting your space, but you need a serious lesson in not accidentally inviting him into it, such as stepping back. And, yeah, you better get your helmet on. BTW, I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-61704623647651771692011-03-17T17:05:27.759-04:002011-03-17T17:05:27.759-04:00I agree with Val. My horse was doing the same thi...I agree with Val. My horse was doing the same thing after we moved here. I stopped lunging him and did a few "who's the boss" lessons about body language and whose space is whose. I puffed all up and stared him in the eye and demanded that he focus on me and back up if I came closer. Also not allowed: looking all around the arena, sniffing the dirt, keeping his head craned up.liquidambarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08753215160496567475noreply@blogger.com