tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post6373617519874320250..comments2024-03-01T06:49:59.106-05:00Comments on Behind the Bit: Where to begin?Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-51970525344545398322010-03-01T09:00:35.724-05:002010-03-01T09:00:35.724-05:00Mine weren't weasel words. I stated it pretty...Mine weren't weasel words. I stated it pretty plainly that she was too heavy for the horse. And yes, it is politically incorrect to say anything about a person's weight. Please, we aren't one of your students. I'm 57 years old.Kitty Bohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030621211779302151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-76361310032314453072010-02-28T13:45:31.036-05:002010-02-28T13:45:31.036-05:00"I don't mean to come off hard and insens..."I don't mean to come off hard and insensitive, but why didn't she try losing weight. The mare probably got sick of lugging her big butt around and rebelled".<br /><br />"I know it is politically incorrect to say anything about people being overweight, but that rider was too big for the horse".<br /><br />Disclaimers don't give a "pass" to not be held Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-15249202857126485622010-02-28T08:28:04.350-05:002010-02-28T08:28:04.350-05:00"If that was a counter-canter it was not well..."If that was a counter-canter it was not well-executed" <br />To say the least. If that really was what she was trying to attempt, it was a bad idea. The horse wasn't nearly balanced enough.<br />I don't think she actually knows anything about dressage … The horse doesn't have any sort of training foundation.<br /><br />My "lungeing the rider" suggestion was aimed wespinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-89485821844312185012010-02-27T14:56:12.894-05:002010-02-27T14:56:12.894-05:00Val, to your last paragraph -- AMEN!
Netherfield ...Val, to your last paragraph -- AMEN!<br /><br />Netherfield mom, it's not puppy-mill sad, it's just a horse/rider partnership that didn't work out. <br /><br />No one would accuse me of being an optimist :-); I want to see things as they are. HOWEVER I don't care to wallow in it, which is what some of the puppy mill and animal abuse commercials do. This blog post doesn't come Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-86117359028568855082010-02-27T14:34:42.613-05:002010-02-27T14:34:42.613-05:00What a sad video, and how interesting to read ever...What a sad video, and how interesting to read everyone's assessments! Although I love horses, I don't ride and am fascinated, reading the insight about the horse's body language, and the girl's need for training and core strength. A lot goes into riding properly that I never knew about. And I never realized how much a person's ability to ride correctly can affect a horse'sJanisshttp://www.sparklecat.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-15651874739412759482010-02-27T13:44:24.337-05:002010-02-27T13:44:24.337-05:00Stacey...sorry about the confusion re: lunging. No...Stacey...sorry about the confusion re: lunging. Not on that mare, on a solid schol horse of good weight and bone. Trying to lunge her on a horse that had had enough would be quite counte-productive and likely dangerous!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-17986926537738651662010-02-27T10:01:09.468-05:002010-02-27T10:01:09.468-05:00From the get go, it was painful for me to watch th...From the get go, it was painful for me to watch that rider on the horse. I know it is politically incorrect to say anything about people being overweight, but that rider was too big for the horse. The horse was going around in a hollow frame. People don't realize the horses's backs are really not made to carry. I agree she should have tried to loose weight. The renowned trainer was a Kitty Bohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030621211779302151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-84681767887015776072010-02-27T09:43:28.862-05:002010-02-27T09:43:28.862-05:00Not even going to watch...don't want to see sa...Not even going to watch...don't want to see sad...there's too much of it in the horse world. Keep us entertained and educated with positive stuff. I am writing the same thing to my newspaper about their deplorable comic pages, that have alcoholism, monsters, PTSD, and anti-military sentiments. Even my kids are depressed by it. AND there's a puppy mill/dog fighting ad on our radio Netherfieldmomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14260647159580710835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-54803122667842428512010-02-27T09:34:54.282-05:002010-02-27T09:34:54.282-05:00The multiple circles of incorrect lead and tight t...The multiple circles of incorrect lead and tight trot in the beginning conflicted with her six months of "excellent riding". But let's not forget how many of us do not have regular access to a professional trainer. I think this contributes to the popularity of the Parelli system.<br /><br />Every rider, at the very least, needs eyes on the ground. The more experienced the ground Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335385366138424092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-24956037740305112502010-02-27T08:22:14.275-05:002010-02-27T08:22:14.275-05:00I'm not so sure about the "lungeing the r...I'm not so sure about the "lungeing the rider" suggestion, at least for this horse. She needs a percheron for lungeing and work without stirrups (we all do!) not that sensitive mare. If that was a counter-canter it was not well-executed. Wrong leads are no big deal but you have to correct it and go on the right lead.Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-30952754400919919612010-02-27T08:07:19.268-05:002010-02-27T08:07:19.268-05:00I was wondering about the wrong lead at the beginn...I was wondering about the wrong lead at the beginning, too. Since she was going on and on about how her horse was progressing so well at lower-level dressage and was going to be this wonderful show horse, I'm guessing she was delibaretly trying a counter-canter. o.O<br /><br />From the few video segments, I get the impression that she knows nothing about dressage and isn't the most wespinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-44096692588568822682010-02-27T06:29:35.874-05:002010-02-27T06:29:35.874-05:00Signs your horse needs chiropractic care, taken fr...Signs your horse needs chiropractic care, taken from Bits and Bytes Farm's website (a site dedicated to off the track Thoroughbreds):<br /><br />Does your horse buck when you ride him? I am not talking about a head down between the legs - get off me rodeo buck. Does he buck up like a hop with both legs and then kick out to the side with one of the legs? This is classic of a horse whose hips Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-68413350046233732012010-02-27T05:15:17.602-05:002010-02-27T05:15:17.602-05:00From the start the riding was extremely poor. The...From the start the riding was extremely poor. The girl just didn't realize it because she was so inexperienced. The horse just got spoiled, that's all. The 'renown' trainer didn't really look very good, the girl never knuckled down and got riding lessons...what do you expect as a result? Overweight makes it harder to ride dressage - more mass and momentum to control and itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-16015518584097032782010-02-27T03:51:59.090-05:002010-02-27T03:51:59.090-05:00"....it was painfully obvious that this woman..."....it was painfully obvious that this woman needed professional help long before the "renowned trainer" stepped in! A rider's weight becomes a negative when he/she is inexperienced and has not logged enough time in the saddle (and with an instructor!). Alternatively, a heavy rider can be an asset to their horse if they have a soft seat, soft hands, etc. And, while it makes The Thoroughbred Hunter Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11164855768268839455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-55476920536786023262010-02-27T00:25:41.527-05:002010-02-27T00:25:41.527-05:00The mare has a dominant personality. It would be i...The mare has a dominant personality. It would be interesting to know where she stands in a pecking order. . .but after watching this video, I would put all my money on her as numero uno. She swishes her tail a lot--both in the beginning and ending of this video. I think she tolerated the girl's riding when it was all new to her, as she had just come from being a broodmare and probably hadn&#Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-23010376556494677582010-02-26T22:29:11.311-05:002010-02-26T22:29:11.311-05:00Weight alone doesn't suggest poor or good ridi...Weight alone doesn't suggest poor or good riding to me (although I think how you carry weight will affect how hard it is to balance). I think this may have just been the wrong combination of inexperience in riding, no training/help, and perhaps a mare with physical issues aggravated by saddle or riding style.Stacey Kimmel-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498926535389535263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-83600765620572008942010-02-26T22:02:31.046-05:002010-02-26T22:02:31.046-05:00I don't mean to come off hard and insensitive,...I don't mean to come off hard and insensitive, but why didn't she try losing weight. The mare probably got sick of lugging her big butt around and rebelled. When a horse refuses like that, something is bothering them. It's our job to figure it out. It seems clear to me the rider was hurting her back.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13471355616319457405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-34328926389174244732010-02-26T21:31:08.261-05:002010-02-26T21:31:08.261-05:00The woman obviously loved the horse and tried to d...The woman obviously loved the horse and tried to do everything she could to make the mare's life better; but the mare clearly wasn't able to relax and use her back muscles properly as evidenced by her nose in the air, lack of contact frame. That's a pain posture in my book. <br /><br />I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh because that's not my intent; but I do think we HLShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13695818095406866154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-56850772844980645062010-02-26T20:37:34.369-05:002010-02-26T20:37:34.369-05:00I'm with you Stacey -- from what information i...I'm with you Stacey -- from what information is provided in the video, my guess is the mare associated discomfort of some kind when her owner was in the saddle.<br /><br />Since the horse performed as desired for the "renowned trainer" and the people at the new barn, that would seem to rule out a physical problem with the horse.<br /><br />Watching the trainer experience problems Oregon Equestrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10074291602447053774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-74289546580420304722010-02-26T20:23:21.100-05:002010-02-26T20:23:21.100-05:00I got the impression that a.) girl was not under a...I got the impression that a.) girl was not under a trainer's supervision, b.) mare was in pain SOMEWHERE, and c.) mare had the girl's number. That was NOT a dumb horse...<br /><br />Also, she was really long in the back, if anybody noticed...And I used to know a long in the back TB who had a really weak loin connection. If he wasn't in constant, BALANCED work, he hurt. And this wasTankDiveGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05334083341818779959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-2638337045128758572010-02-26T19:41:45.354-05:002010-02-26T19:41:45.354-05:00I cannot see the video. Can someone please post th...I cannot see the video. Can someone please post the link?acasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09356385103272906674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-81606298253370824842010-02-26T18:55:45.894-05:002010-02-26T18:55:45.894-05:00I noticed the wrong lead in the first video too, w...I noticed the wrong lead in the first video too, which then led me to wonder just how well the girl rode. <br /><br />Sure does look like something physical bothering the horse. I thought of ulcers, but she said she treated her for them...wonder how long? Might have needed a longer term treatment. <br /><br />But, for some reason, the mare didn't want her owner on her back. I'd be so Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10029423500476995817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-73545100268448284772010-02-26T18:53:06.559-05:002010-02-26T18:53:06.559-05:00ah yes Stacey! I too saw the very raw seat that wa...ah yes Stacey! I too saw the very raw seat that was whalloping the poor mare at the canter, how much was too much? Apparantly 6 months. Kudos to the mare for lasting that long. What a pity though, 4 lunge lessons for the rider could have solved it possibly!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-9118629550147218622010-02-26T18:46:33.031-05:002010-02-26T18:46:33.031-05:00Does anyone else have a problem with Renowned Trai...Does anyone else have a problem with Renowned Trainer hitting the horse on the neck and pulling on her mouth?<br /><br />Even in the early footage of the "excellent riding" is evidence of an unhappy horse. I agree Stacey, working with a competent trainer from the get-go might have saved this relationship (and the previous one w/the buckskin).<br /><br />She seems like a really nice mareJenna Hoskinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02411341498576759800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6317822193674196694.post-49122168178216024672010-02-26T18:43:37.960-05:002010-02-26T18:43:37.960-05:00What I find really sad about it that the woman see...What I find really sad about it that the woman seeked all these ways of re-training for the horse rather than herself. The horse looked like a sensitive and well trained one and the ridden footage just says it all. If the rider invested that time into getting herself fitter and addressed her own balance in the saddle the problem might never had gotten so far.<br />I think some horses just don'Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14036104794835542928noreply@blogger.com